Philmont Travel: Amtrak Derailment


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From: kristensen@FAUNA.UCDAVIS.EDU Newsgroups: misc.transport.rail.americas Subject: Re: ATK AZ DERAIL 8/9 Date: 10 Aug 1997 01:34:00 GMT Organization: Animal Science Dept., UC Davis, Davis, CA
The news reports--such as they were--in Sacramento said the train (the Southwest Chief?) was going 90 mph. Can that be true? Even under good conditions, isn't that above the speed limit? And this was after heavy rains, which should be a reason to proceed with caution, as after a quake or excessive heat. BTW, some boy scouts from Troop 66 here in Davis were on the train, were uninjured, and were evidently of great help to the other passengers. I hope their parents got up late this morning so they didn't hear the early reports of fatalities. ========================================================= Sandra Kristensen kristensen@ansci.ucdavis.edu
From: mossfam@teleport.com (Berk Moss) Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Scouts in Amtrak Derail Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 22:25:48 -0700 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016
Does anyone here have any information on these Scouts and what they did? YiS Berk Moss Pioneer District Advancement Committee Assistant Scoutmaster Troop 427 Cascade-Pacific Council Multnomah Village, Portland Oregon O/A Brotherhood e mail: mossfam@teleport.com Bear Patrol Woodbadge WEM 492-1-94
From: bec@pipeline.com (Bruce E. Cobern) Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts in Amtrak Derail Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 05:29:01 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc.
I thought I saw some Scouts in full uniform walking near the tracks in some of the videotape of the wreck. --- Bruce E. Cobern Advancement Chairman Founders District, Queens Council, NY mailto:bec@pipeline.com
From: nelsonb@aztec.asu.edu (BILL NELSON) Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Scouts Live Up to Motto in Derailment Date: 10 Aug 1997 17:54:54 GMT Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ (USA)
KINGMAN, Arizona (AP) -- Fifteen-year-old Geoff Boyd did his duty after the Amtrak train derailment early Saturday. After all, Boyd is a Boy Scout. Thirty scouts, including eight adults, were aboard the Southwest Chief when it derailed after a bridge trestle collapsed. About half of the 330 passengers were injured, and one was in critical condition Saturday night, officials said. Several passengers pointed to the Scouts as heroes who helped people out of the derailed cars, provided basic first aid and comforted those too injured to move. See: http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/10/derail.scouts.ap/index.html -bill -- Bill Nelson, Assistant District Commissioner, BSA Grand Canyon Council, Phoenix, AZ Wipala Wiki Lodge
From: "J.W.Walker" <wwwalker@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts Live Up to Motto in Derailment Date: 10 Aug 1997 18:20:36 GMT Organization: BSA Troop 777
Thanks Bill... please check to see if Geoff and any of the other Scouts were American Red Cross Trained. Your local ARC Chapter when advised, will process National Recognition for those who have used ARC taught skills. The "Certificate of Merit" issued by the ARC will sure look great along with the BSA recognition.... Where is NPR when we need them??? Great job guys... this is what Scouting is all about! I use to be an Owl... SC373 James W. Walker, ASM-Venture Troop 777, The Woodlands TX "real" address: wwwalker@ix.netcom.com
From: nelsonb@aztec.asu.edu (BILL NELSON) Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts Live Up to Motto in Derailment Date: 10 Aug 1997 20:13:24 GMT Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ (USA)
Thanks for posting, I am not affiliated with the troop. I hope someone from their Council is notified and gets the ball rolling with the ARC if appropriate. I am sure their Council knows what they did. BTW, BSA and GSUSA troops do this sort of thing all the time, it is the responsibility of each Scouter to make sure the news knows about it. Too often we think someone else will notify the media, but we really are the ones that must do the work. Good PR will not only help the program, it will let youth know what we are all about. My question is will the youth oriented media carry it? -bill -- Bill Nelson, Assistant District Commissioner, BSA Grand Canyon Council, Phoenix, AZ Wipala Wiki Lodge
From: Chris Holland <hollandc@succeed.net> Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts Live Up to Motto in Derailment Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:19:46 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com
Yes, it has been all over the news here in the Sacramento area. I think it is great what these boys have done. I can not even imagine the pride that the troop leadership must be feeling right now. They have done a great job! Chris Holland Please remove the "!" from my email address to reply.
From: Lou Leopold <lou@qdt.com> Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts in Action in Amtrak Derail Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:21:44 -0700 Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc./Advanced Development Group (http://www.viewlogic.com)
This partial clip from the Sunday LA Times (August 10, 1997) (the full story can be found at the LA Times Web Site at http://www.latimes.com): . . . Tony Smith, the scoutmaster of Troop 90 in Riverside, was on board with 30 Scouts and scoutmasters from a total of four Southern California troops. They were headed to New Mexico to go backpacking. "When it started to derail, I stood up," Smith said. "It was like an E-ticket [ride] at Disneyland. We were bouncing around, and I knew we were in trouble. People were flying everywhere." He said the Scouts went into action, calming passengers and helping rescuers apply bandages and carry the injured on gurneys to waiting helicopters. "Our motto is to be prepared," Smith said. "People ask us, 'What are you going to be prepared for?' Our answer is, 'Anything.' These guys showed that today." Tim Maggio, 15, one of the Riverside Scouts, said members often get chances to use their skills, but "usually not [in] this big of a situation." Charles McNeil, of Bakersfield, said about the Boy Scouts: "They were great. They were carrying luggage, helping people, carrying stretchers. They were simply indispensable." Their task, he said, was not easy. "There was no light. The lights went out. You just had to feel your way around." Despite the terror, there was little panic. "The scene went remarkably well," said Chuck Waalkens, paramedic supervisor for River Medical, an ambulance service. "I didn't see anybody panicking at all." . . . Lou Leopold Webelos Den Leader, Pack 3804 - Camarillo, California Committee Member, Troop 808 - Camarillo, California Webmaster, Ventura County Council B.S.A. http://www.vccbsa.org/
From: "Bob Cooper" <K27350@apsc.com> Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts in Amtrak Derail Date: 11 Aug 1997 15:33:27 GMT Organization: Arizona Public Service
Berk this is interesting, I was told that the scouts were from Riverside Calif. I am wondering now if there was more than one troop on the train. YIS Bob Cooper ps I got my information from one of the Rescue members maybe they were confused. rcoope01@nospamapsc.com
From: troop24@emf.net (Alan Houser) Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts in Amtrak Derail Date: 11 Aug 1997 17:23:49 GMT Organization: "emf.net" Quality Internet Access. (510) 704-3800 (login: guest)
I saw the Davis Scouts being interviewed on the news, but saw the newspaper quotes from the Riverside Scouter, so it was my assumption that there were at least two troops. BTW, the Troop 24 Philmont crew should be passing that section of track early Wednesday. Hope that there are no further problems. In 1993, our crew had to be bussed around a derailment in that same area. Perhaps next time, we'll fly or drive. YiS, Alan R. Houser ** Scoutmaster, Berkeley Troop 24 ** troop24@emf.net ** WWW page ** http://www.emf.net/~troop24/t24.html ** Scoutmaster, Mt. Diablo Silverado Council Jamboree Troop #637 ** http://www.emf.net/~troop24/council/nj-637.html **
From: Chris Holland <hollandc@succeed.net> Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts in Amtrak Derail Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:08:15 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com
Sacramento Channel 3 news said 3 troops were on the train. One from Davis (66?) and 2 from the LA area.... Chris Holland Please remove the "!" from my email address to reply.
From: John Holladay Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts in Amtrak Derail Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:54:31 -0500 Organization: DI
Here's the CNN article. Every troop should be talking about this tonight, we will especailly since the topic this month is saftey. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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See: http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/10/derail.scouts.ap/index.html

From: "Bob Cooper" <K27350@apsc.com> Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts Live Up to Motto in Derailment Date: 11 Aug 1997 15:28:01 GMT Organization: Arizona Public Service
I understand these scouts were from Riverside Calif. and were on there way to Philmont. One of the first Rescue people on the scene said that when they arrived the scouts were busy treating the injured for shock and performing other first aid. The scouts also assisted in transporting the injured to the ambulances. I have not heard if any of the scouts were injured YIS Bob Cooper rcoope01@nospamapsc.com
From: rstodola@pe.net (Richard Stodola) Newsgroups: rec.scouting.usa Subject: Re: Scouts Live Up to Motto in Derailment Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:49:51 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company
Yes, we are aware that more than one trek team from our council was on the train and rendered services. I am happy to report that they have received plenty of ink on the front page of the national section of the Riverside Press-Enterprise, including a follow up story that the entire team, except for one leader who had suffered an injury, continued on to Philmont and are out on the mountain as I write this. We are following up for additional recognition at this point... A real-life "Scouts in Action" story except it was in Boys' Life several years later.. Richard Stodola Assistant Council Commissioner California Inland Empire Council

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