Packs, Stoves, & Fuel bottles to Philmont


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packs, stoves, & fuel bottles to Philmont


From "Paul" <pcallahan@parlex.nospam.com> Date Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:27:02 -0500 Newsgroups rec.scouting.usa Message-ID <3680efa5.0@news.destek.net>
We'll be flying into Colorado Springs heading to Philmont this summer. The discussion about how to package the packs etc has begun. What has and hasn't worked well for those of you who have traveled with packs, stoves, and fuel bottles on an airline? Thanks

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From "Robert L. Haar" <rhaar@mi.verio.com> Organization ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:06:39 -0500 Newsgroups rec.scouting.usa Message-ID <8Rdg2.3846$8R6.18359@news15.ispnews.com>
Airlines can be very picky about camping stoves and fuel bottles. Stove fuel itself (whether liquid or compressed gas) it prohibited, but some airline personnel take that to mean even a faint trace of fuel, even an odor. Some will go so far as to say if there has ever been fuel inside, then you cannot take it. My experience has been that if I totally cleaned out my equipment so that there wasn't the faintest smell of gas, then I was OK. I drained and aired out the tanks/bottles until dry, then rinsed with water, then drained and dried again, This was followed by at least of day of sitting open with good air circulation. This can be hard to schedule at the end of a camping trip, but for a Philmont trek, you should have at least an overnight stay at basecamp at the end of your trek. First, contact the airline that you are flying on and get their rules, and get them IN WRITING. Take this with you. Don't try to beat the system. If the airline says no, don't try to hide what you are carrying. You can buy white gas at Philmont, so taking brand new stoves and fuel bottles there should be no problem. Then, the worst that could happen is that you have to forfeit the stoves. You should also check with Philmont. They may have some advice. Also, you might be able to rent stoves from them. They do have a variety of gear available. Robert Haar email: rhaar@rust.net

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From schmittdas@aol.com (Schmittdas) Organization AOL http://www.aol.com Date 25 Dec 1998 17:15:44 GMT Newsgroups rec.scouting.usa Message-ID <19981225121544.21216.00001980@ng-fp1.aol.com>
You can rent ( or did the last time I was there) the stoves and buy the fuel there. You can mail your stoves and bottles to Philmont for pickup. They even rent packs if you ask in advance. They were external frame packs several years ago. Note You CAN NOT CUT hiking sticks from the trees. You will be asked to leave.

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From kcooke2423@aol.com (KCooke2423) Organization AOL http://www.aol.com Date 27 Dec 1998 23:34:11 GMT Newsgroups rec.scouting.usa Message-ID <19981227183411.01155.00002699@ng-ca1.aol.com>
I went to Philmont in 1998. I can offer the following advice from actual experience with the airlines into Colorado Springs. 1) From a fuel perspective our council and the folks at Philmont recommended we use a Peak 1 X-Pert stove. The burn much hotter at the high altitudes of Philmont and where much easier to light. The Propane/butane fuel is sold at the trading post at Philmont. The canisters come with a key that punctures the aluminum and allows you to collapse them down to throw in the recyle bin. Also Philmont is getting very concerned about Back Country Fuel Spills from boys accidently knocking over the white gas canisters. This eliminates it. From an airlines perspetive, most are getting real stringent about carrying any type of fuel canister, whether it is new or clean. The local Fixed Based Operator for AA told us that there regualtions did not allow any type of canister to be shipped. 2) I agree the best item to ship backpacks in is the good old army duffle. We got them for less than $10 each from an army surplus store. I hope you enjoy your trek.

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