Philmont Hiring Policies?


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From:             hbarta@wwa.com (Henry C. Barta)
Subject:  Philmont summer hiring policies
Date:             2 Feb 1998 17:15:07 GMT
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My son has applied for summer work at Philmont. They have told him that they will let him know in April whether or not he has been hired.

I am wondering if this is their standard notification policy or if he has been put on a 'standby' list in case other (better qualified) staffers do not accept an offer.

If anyone out there is familiar with Philmont's hiring policies, please clue me in.

    YIS,
    hank

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From: John Holladay <JNH@msg.ti.com> Subject: Re: Philmont summer hiring policies Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:09:21 -0600 Organization: DI Message-ID: <34D619DF.2E67D5A@msg.ti.com> References: <6b4uur$s56$1@hirame.wwa.com> Reply-To: JNH@msg.ti.com
This might sound a little harsh, but why isn't your son asking rather than you? I don't know that I'd hire some for a Philmont position who had to have his father do the asking. If he doesn't have internet access I would expect that to show up in your question, since it didn't I made an assumption..

Too many times I see and sense that adults are doing too much. Never do for a boy what he can do for himself.

JNH


From: hbarta@wwa.com (Henry C. Barta) Subject: Re: Philmont summer hiring policies Date: 2 Feb 1998 20:10:25 GMT Organization: WorldWide Access - Midwestern Internet Services - www.wwa.com Message-ID: <6b597h$ae9$1@hirame.wwa.com> References: <6b4uur$s56$1@hirame.wwa.com> <34D619DF.2E67D5A@msg.ti.com>
John Holladay (JNH@msg.ti.com) wrote: : This might sound a little harsh, but why isn't your son asking rather than : you? I don't know that I'd hire some for a Philmont position who had to have : his father do the asking. If he doesn't have internet access I would expect : that to show up in your question, since it didn't I made an assumption..
Good question. My son has strong computer skills: FBLA 1st place winner in Computer Concepts at regional, state and national level, A/B student at University of Illinois Champain/Urbana School of Engineering. He's worked for a local VAR for three summers and is capable of assempling a PC, installing software and resolving any of the myriad of conflicts that are likely to arise.

One of my clients could use his skills as a summer intern. He can't answer until he hears from them. My client would like an answer sooner.

: Too many times I see and sense that adults are doing too much.  Never do for a
: boy what he can do for himself.
Agreed. My son would probably not appreciate my interference, but I doubt that he watches this group.

Too many times people make assumptions...

    regards,
    hank

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Hank Barta                              White Oak Software Inc.
hbarta@wwa.com                          Predictable Systems by Design.(tm)
                Beautiful Sunny Winfield, Illinois


From: "Stryver" <cbieber@nospam.mines.edu> Subject: Re: Philmont summer hiring policies Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:14:59 -0700 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Message-ID: <6b5nhr$iek$1@herald.Mines.EDU> References: <6b4uur$s56$1@hirame.wwa.com>

I can't speak directly for Philmont, but I know that the camps I've been around, the big jobs are dealt with first, and the smaller jobs later. This year is going rather slow here, but I normally see people learning what they will be doing between february and april. I would have to assume that at a larger camp like Philmont, they would be notifying sooner, though I would expect them also to let you know if it's a standby type thing. You might ask them, I'd be sorely dissappointed if they gave you the run-a-round...

Chad Bieber


From:             troop24@emf.net (Alan Houser)
Subject:  Re: Philmont summer hiring policies
Date:             3 Feb 1998 01:23:11 GMT
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I have heard anecdotally (from our ranger in '93) that Philmont tended to be later than local council camps in accepting staff, presenting the applicants with the dilemma of committing to positions in local camps before hearing from Philmont.
YiS,

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From: "Problem" <sjh@uscom.com> References: <6b4uur$s56$1@hirame.wwa.com> Subject: Re: Philmont summer hiring policies Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:23:14 -0500 Message-ID: <34d69a47.0@news7.kcdata.com>
Check with a former staffer himself-- Phil Romans. email promans@justice.loyola.edu Good Luck! -- If a tree falls in the woods, will the cows come home?
From: ean@altair.com (Eric Nelson) Subject: Re: Philmont summer hiring policies Date: 4 Feb 1998 14:11:06 GMT Organization: Altair Engineering, Inc. Message-ID: <6b9stq$b6$1@quasimooto.altair.com> References: <6b4uur$s56$1@hirame.wwa.com>
Henry C. Barta (hbarta@wwa.com) wrote: : he has been put on a 'standby' list in case other (better : qualified) staffers do not accept an offer.
I was a ranger out there for 2 years. This sounds pretty normal to me. They are hiring a lot of people and I think they are trying to sort out a lot of positions with limited staff this time of year. I helped a friend get a job there too (meaning I got her the application) and she had another job possibility so she kept calling them to pester them and they eventually told her over the phone that she had been selected. I doubt that was the only time anyone ever had a problem with them waiting that long. In fact, now that I think about it, my brother wound up skipping a 2nd year of working out there b/c he decided he couldn't turn down his other possible summer opportunity since Philmont was so slow that year.
From:             Douglas <palisade@swbell.net>
Subject:  Re: Philmont summer hiring policies
Date:             Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:33:47 -0600
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Hank and others,

I have spent the last ten years of my life wondering when my contract would come in the mail from Philmont. I can tell you that it rarely came earlier than March till the last few years. So April is not to far a stretch.

I can also give you a good idea why the process takes so long:
1 - Philmont is hiring for at least 700 seasonal Staff positions each year
2 - Probably 70-80% are first time Staffers so 490-560 employees SIGHT UNSEEN!
3 - Many people cancel at the last month, last week, last day, and last minute.
4 - The gentleman that had held the position mostly responsable for hiring has retired and someone new to Philmont took his place.
5 - Philmont receives thousands of applicants each summer.

Couple of other tips or insights:
1 - Do call, don't bug.
2 - Don't ever take another summer job until you have had at least one summer at Philmont.
3 - Younger applicants may not get the coveted Ranger position - believe me this is not as bad as it sounds. I spent 2 of my 10 in Food Service.
4 - Email me for more info or call Philmont (505) 376-2281

Good luck,
Douglas
palisade@swbell.net


From           meirose@aol.com (Meirose)
Subject:  Re: Philmont summer hiring policies
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Date           10 Feb 1998 06:16:00 GMT
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Very well said Doug,

It was my experience as a three year Philmont employee that they were fairly late in offering contracts, with the reasons stated above. Only this last week have I heard that they have gotten confirmations for this coming summers top positions, and often they don't do any hiring without the consultation of these key people.

Just my two cents.

Chris Meirose
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