Philmont trail crew


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From           "Will" <Rohrigs@Juno.com>
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Date           26 Feb 1998 02:16:11 GMT
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	I was recently accepted to participate in the 1998 Philmont trail crew
program.  I applied because "I want to go back to Philmont".  I was just
wondering if anyone has any information about the trail crew program.
Schedule, type of work etc.  I should get a packet of information in the
next few weeks but I am looking forward to the trip so much that I want to
learn more as soon as possible.  Anything you can tell me would be great
thanks!
	Also are there any scouts on this group who are also going for trail crew
this summer?

Will Rohrig
Life Scout Troop 501

From           00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse)
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Date           26 Feb 1998 19:06:16 GMT
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As I recall(as of 1996)  Trail Crew consists of two parts-
the first is three weeks of camping, cooking real food(as opposed to
backpacking food) and (of course) building trail.
The second part is a 10 day trek(planned by the crew, not a normal trek)
All things considered, it looked like great fun, but the all this 
I only know from living next to a couple crews(first one and then the other)
for a couple months.

-Josh
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From           meirose@aol.com (Meirose)
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Date           27 Feb 1998 05:06:19 GMT
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As a Trial Crew Foreman in 1996 (ranger 94 & 95) here's the low down.  (there
are some things that I am not at liberty to reveal about the program, but let's
just say this is the SUPREME program in the USA (along with Philmont's Rayado)
for Backpacking High Adventure for Scouts.)

The first 18 days are work days-I was at McBride Canyon.  Expect to learn about
a lot of tools the first day in the backcountry.  Here are some hints:  Get in
good shape before going.  Practice swinging an Axe and other various tools of
death and destruction, so that when you get there, you do not chop yourself or
anyone else.  But MOST importantly GET IN SHAPE.  Remember, you will be
stationed at a minimum fo 5900 ft. above sea level.  The altitude does make a
difference if you are a flat lander.  Expect to work harder than you probably
have at any other point in your life.  You will be amazed at what 12 guys and 2
foreman can accomplish when they put their minds to it.  You will eat well
while doing your work portion.  

Important gear (not that any of the other stuff is unimportant, this is just
extra important):
1) you must have GOOD work gloves, and I reccomend sheepskin or deer hide over
leather.  Expect to wear them out.  Break them in before getting to Philmont. 
Make sure that you work with handled things (brooms, axe, maddox, pulaski,
mccloud, shovel, etc.) to get your hands in shape, and to form the gloves
2) comfortable denim work pants--I worked in a set of Key overalls all summer,
and most staff use some form of overalls.  You will be squatting, pushing,
pulling, hiking and many other things in these pants.  Don't get the waist too
large because everyone looses weight.  Nothing that you want to wear to school
the next year either because trees, rocks, dirt, scree, tools, rain, sweat,
sun,and your BO will do a number to them.
3) comfortable, WELL broken in hiking  boots, preferrably all leather for
safety and support.
4) lots of paper and pre-stamped envelopes.  everyone loves to get letters.
5) a large sturdy frisbee--works as a great plate for food, then you can wash
it and have fun.  believe me, I have used this for 6 different summer at
Philmont.

The second portion of your experience is your trek.  this is ten days of the
most fun you can pack into it, with a lot of hiking.  again Get In Shape. 
Also, make sure you know how to pack your pack comfortably for yourself.  Make
sure before going that all your gear is dependable.  It really sucks to have
something break out in the middle of Philmont.  

Other important things:
Make sure that your physical form is entirely filled out, and then double check
it just to make sure, especially noting that it is signed by your physician and
your parents (if you are under 18)

Make friends with people right away when you meet them and find they too are
trail crew people.  Even if you are shy get to know people right away, but
don't be annoying about it.

Respect your foreman--this is an incredibly difficult job at times, and if you
give them your support it really helps.  Remember, the foreman is responsible
for the actions of the other 13 people at all times.  He (she, there are female
Trail Crews as well) becomes the
mother/father/brother/friend/boss/nurse/teacher/pastor to everyone, and that
responsiblity can be a real load at times of crisis.  
The most import thing is HAVE FUN!!!

Whoop Yeah Trial CREW

Chris Meirose

PS  work hard to learn the Trail Crew song, sing it often, and sing it LOUD!
Grace falls free, don't take it for granted
If a man speaks in the woods, and no woman hears it, is he still wrong?
A man can fail many times but he isn't a
 total failure until he begins to blame someone
 else for his own deficiencies.-Waite Phillips 

From           00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse)
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Date           27 Feb 1998 06:09:57 GMT
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Josh Hesse (00093182@bigred.unl.edu) wrote:
[snip]
: I only know from living next to a couple crews(first one and then the other)
: for a couple months.

Perhaps I should clarify this.
In 1996, I was a program counciler at Camp Santa Claus.
(For those of you who know Rainbow, he was the camp director.)
The Gaulee(ack! I can't remember how to spell this- it's cajun.) brothers,
Cliff and Jared, who's crews were working on a new trail in upper Bear
Canyon(if you have ever gone through(esp. _down_) Bear Canyon, you know
how much it needs a new trail) camped in our south-west campsite.
Note: As I recall, this was the only TC near a staffed camp.  Plus,
      we were just plain hospitible (SC is a remote place.)

As has been noted before, getting in shape is a very good idea.
(for anybody going to Philmont for _ANYTHING_)(the stories I could, but
won't tell.)  For that particular trail crew, hiking up the canyon was
the first thing they did.

-Josh

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